5.0 out of 5 star rating (5) Cameron. And, NO! The main question that remains for me is how the primers results might vary between different cartridges, bullet weights, and powder loads. Lauries findings will doubtless influence many hand-loaders who hope to produce more consistent ammunition, or achieve better accuracy. P. Plinker147 Well . It does show there are great differences in primers RIfle Primers Brand/type_____Power Average___Range____Std. Federal Champion No. 0000028110 00000 n Since then almost every company has changed their primers. The line that shows borrowed. And standard primers. following primers in our possession. 100%. 0000002213 00000 n The military imposes specific upper and lower sensitivity limits. Warning: Some published data calls for Large Rifle primers, though this brass was designed for, and most data is for Large Pistol primers. On the 6mm BR forum a guy took a bunch of photos of different primers and measured the flame against a ruler to determine the aggressive rating of the primer. CCI BR2 and the Fed 's were the most even of the common ones. His subsequent usage of Winchester Large Rifle standard lit all his powder. CCI 300 STD Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. #4. Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. The new Russian Mar 13, 2022. I have not measures themperhaps your not seating them fully? Even though they dont recommend it? We thought of doing the test on 4 different case sizes. JavaScript is disabled. Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. Clive. One new winner* is announced every week! Buy in store-Limit 2. There are a great many views on the subject, a few based on tests (including primer flame photography) but most apparently hearsay. Laurie Holland. rintable Burn Rate Chart. Can you in. $7.49. 0000015151 00000 n LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. (As a note of interest, small pistol primers are .017" thick and large pistol primers are .020" thick.) Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. 0000077015 00000 n Another thing that is not in this test, but I have noted, is using a newsprint wad over the primer. When I use the press the primers are seated harder.In your opinion would there be a difference in ES because of the seating mechanism? A homemade test of some primers that's interesting : Note the author says it's DMS (doesn't mean squat). Makes me think about some BR4 primers for my 6.5x47L over the #400. Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. Out of stock. We thought of trying 3 different powders in each case Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? The test stand used in the link would be a good way to do this because it doesn't need powder and only measures the primer itself. This charge fills the case to about half The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. You are using an out of date browser. Rated 4.80 out of 5 $ 105.00. The one published by "precision shooting" is posted at the following link: http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/ click on primer 1 and primer2. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. This means a LRP will not seat flush or below the face of the case head in a pistol cartridge . a custom Remington 700 we have built ourselves. 6,5 to 9,3 mm: 100: 10: 33: 18,4: 40,5: Percussion caps. Good read! Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. Three shot groups. It is a standard factory rifle, that came with one 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. in a Ruger Target model rifle. $ 249.99. Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) Mother of All LR Primer Tests Thank you very much for your efforts in providing this excellent article. and .280 Rem., to name a few. It is a standard factory issue; we bedded the It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. Three shot groups. The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in Dont know why they tested 210M primers as they seem to have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. hb```,? And standard both Magnum. the 3 frozen overnight. Thanks! chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. 2854 0 obj <>stream 3.7-5.5 .3997, 10 CCI BR2 4.37 However, I have seen or heard of many examples where the the primer that gave the best results might not have been the one that would have been intuitively picked based on its brisance. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. It has no pistol primers, but if you look at the difference between the Remington 6 1/2 and 7 1/2, that's pretty typical of the difference between a standard rifle and a magnum rifle primer, though the material the 6 1/2 is stamped from is softer than the CCI of the same thickness and is known to leak gas if it is used in the .223. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . I know this powder is far too slow for this application, but we thought Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench. Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. Large rifle primers are 0.008" thicker than a large pistol primer. Out of stock. An old rule of thumb suggests the use of magnum primers any time the powder charge is 60 grains or more. Buy in store-Limit 2. Both for 6.5 CM. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) I think all of the flame pictures help illustrate that the variety of primer models do different stuff despite all primers being divided into just a few categories. Keep them all the same. 0000010068 00000 n (Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. The rationale for doing side-by-side tests is to see what effect primer choice has on ballistics, i.e. The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. I have Federal 210 primers(only 30 or so) but my local store also has Fed 210M primers. Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. Sierra 300 grain Match King bullet. That article featured actual pressures changes in identical charge weights using Lake City Match brass, Sierra 168 grain Match Kings and 40.5 grains of IMR-4895. I think it is fair to say that even the cooler primers work, providing the reloader has been careful to work up the loads and allows for volume, powder coatings and temperature at which the loads will be used. startxref Read more; CCI Aps Strips . Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. 0000001395 00000 n 0000001584 00000 n I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. Most basic there are large rifle primers. 14 Likes. Store For Availability. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. endstream endobj startxref Five round with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of www.6mmbr.com. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The Test. 0000027667 00000 n (The total velocity spread for all primers was 35 fps). Lots of people had good luck with them. 0000054449 00000 n A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. Read more. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. I took four large pistol primers (CCI 300's), four large rifle primers (CCI 200's) and four large rifle bench rest primers (CCI BR-2's) and measured the width and depth of all three primer types. 4.1-6.0 .4300, 7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679, 8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296, 9 Federal 210 LR 4.62 Primer Testing Reference You will see a large difference if you go from a large rifle primer to a magnum primer so look at primer Brisance. CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a Ranked in order of power. 506 0 obj <> endobj $8.09. Thanks, DR. It was also years ago and things may have changed. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. This is a retype after losing the original web page. rifle, chambered for the 338 Lapua. So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. Read more; CCI Aps BR4 Small Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). It has a Hart barrel #5 and a 338 Lapua size. Up to 6,000 psi difference just by changing primer brands. I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! t!.>%DBvv Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Proud Member Of The NRA. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. $5.19. Now, I tend to read pressure signs from my primers first. Are Wolf Primers still consistent? $7.30. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. Fiocchi 616 Shotshell Primers #209 | 1,000 Count $ 89.99. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. You will have match. Those extra heavy tended to be stronger, and light were weaker. size, one of which would be a ball powder. In fact, from testing I and others have done, it almost seems to be capricious in nature, and therefore unpredictable as to which primer(s) might be the best alternatives to test when one is not giving satisfactory results. Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. Primer with Highest ES/SD: Remington 9 M Magnum (47/14.0 fps) . 0000004445 00000 n 40,5. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11 All Primers have a different Brisance. There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. for the 300 Weatherby magnum. McMillan synthetic stock. As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. Remington Shotshell Primer All Gauges. Most important thing to find out is. . Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine.. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18 Primers labeled "match grade" cost 10 to 20 percent more than standard versions. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. Three shot groups. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Large rifle primers all appear to have the same cup thickness, no matter what the type. All Rights Reserved. $7.99. Federal Small Rifle Primers (Champion) 1000/Box $219.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: Federal; Item Number: 205 BK; $12.99. Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. We used It may not display this or other websites correctly. of those horrible looking plastic stocks. I noticed they listed James Calhoon in that article. CCI 34 - 7.62mm Large Rifle Primers Box of 1 000 Limit 5 per customer. to the 30-06. This would give us some sort of idea of how they perform in Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. $7.99. RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. average of all the 4 groups above it. $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. PRIMER LEGEND . 0000012690 00000 n 41 Rifle Primers - 100 Count. 0000053407 00000 n 5180 meters per second for Azide, 5200 meters per second for Styphnate.3. I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. HTH, Dutch. Standard deviation . Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I did not put in the individual comments. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . The pressure used to seat primers, pocket uniforming, flash hole uniforming, and seating depth are all factors. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before. This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. German Salazar's pictures were taken in 2005. different case sizes. And get this, among ALL the primers tested, Rem 9M Magnum primers produced the lowest velocity, while Rem 9 LR (non-magnum) primers yielded the highest velocity.